When John Wayne called the cast together for a pep talk, Dern wasn’t sure what to expect. But when The Duke had finished, Bruce Dern, still green as summer grass as an actor, was ready to go toe-to-toe with Wayne.
I might have been. But right at the start, he says to me, “I want you to do us a favor.” He was including himself, [director] Mark Rydell, and the scriptwriters. He said, “From now on, consider me to be somebody you can publicly kick the shit out of 24 hours a day on the set. Because I want these little kids [playing the cowboys of the title] to be absolutely terrified of you.” He gave me carte blanche to just treat him like a turd. So I was on him, talking back to him and stuff, for the few days I was there. And he would do things like call out: “Hey, Mr. Dern, would you get over here?” I thought, Hey, John Wayne gives you a “mister” status. My first day, he’s calling me mister. How about that? That’s pretty cool.Bruce Dern, Cowboys and Indians
The movie was the iconic The Cowboys. And, spoiler alert, Dern’s character shoots an unarmed John Wayne in the film. It was a true rug-puller of a moment in a great movie. And Dern said without Wayne’s willingness to play weak, he doubts he could have pulled off playing the tough guy.
John Wayne Loves Bad Guys With A Sense Of Humor
Bruce Dern remembers one day when John Wayne was being fitted for his squibs. Films use squibs, these packs of blood-like substances that explode, to make it look like someone has been shot. It was the first time Wayne had ever worn a squib, Dern said. Meaning that in more than five decades of filmmaking, no one ever shot John Wayne.
John Wayne called Dern over for one last “pep talk” before they shot their big scene.
“Oh, I want to remind you of one thing,” Wayne told Dern. “When this picture comes out, and audiences see you kill me — they’re gonna hate you for this.” I said, “Maybe. But at [UC] Berkeley, I’ll be a [bleeping] hero!” He laughed at that. And then put his arm around my neck, turned me to the crew — there’s about 90 people there where we shot the thing, getting ready to do the scene — and he said, “That’s why this [bleep] is in my film. Because he understands that bad guys can be funny. If they weren’t, why would we be talking about them 150 years later?”